Ms. Moehlis' Advanced English II
 
As you read the preface and Chapter 1, what are some of the tenets of Realism that you note right away?  How do those tenets affect the way you approach this novel?
 


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Ms. Moehlis

Fri, 22 Oct 2010 2:03:34 pm

I hope that all of you will jump into the discussion. As you complete your reading over the weekend, think about Realism and begin to dialogue with your peers.

 

Katie Vande

Mon, 25 Oct 2010 3:38:20 pm

Some of the tenets that i notice right away is how in depth the author goes in about Ethan Frome (Character is more important than plot). I notice how the most background of the story goes to Ethan and other main characters but doesn't really tell much about where the character lives and things like that.
Knowing the basic requirements for a piece to be called realism helped me notice the writing style and what the author did to make the story a realism piece.

 

shanira kennedy

Tue, 26 Oct 2010 3:28:09 pm

Tenets of realism that i relized right away were the 'emphasis on the norm of a daily experience, and char. studied in depth.' for example,in chapter one, his trips to the post office. "If you know the post office you must have seen Ethan frome drive up to it, drop the reins on his hollow-backed bay and drag himself across the brick pavement to the white colonnande: and you must have asked who he was." it's just a trip to the post office (norm) but also in that passage it shows the health and character of ethan. You quess right away that hes a very a old man, with a hutch back maybe it also states 'u must have seen Ethan...,' so u quess y is he always there? Theses tenets of 'emphasising the norm,and char. studied in depth' aims the readers attention to characters instead of conditions or plots over characters, which also shows that the author is righting a story on human relationships and trails.genre- romantic, as a educated quess!!

 

Joe Kastner

Tue, 26 Oct 2010 6:25:00 pm

One of the first tenets that I noticed was the dialogue the townspeople used like wust and smash-up. Like Katie, I also noticed how the author went right into talking about Ethan Frome and what his personality was like, and then going into talking about Mrs. Ned Hale (Character is more important than plot). The author doesn't talk much about the plot or the setting of the book like, time and place. Knowing these tenets helps me better understand the way the author wrote the book, which would allow me to further understand the book as I read through and not have to be confused on why the author wrote the book that certain way.

 

Amy Murillo

Tue, 26 Oct 2010 9:59:59 pm

Some of the tenets that I took note of right away was how Wharton goes straight into the descriptions of characters. Wharton makes the whole story come into the character rather than the plot. Like it has been already said "Character is more important than plot" in Ethan Frome. Wharton also describes the character in depth using comparisons, alliteration, and similes. She tries putting all the details in.

 

Admir Busnov

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 9:39:15 am

The most important tenet of realism in the preface and first chapter for me was how depressed and lonely they made Ethan Frome look. They covered his life in depth and that really makes it seem like the book will be focused on only him and his actions. They also made the dialogue very clear. I also agree with Katie and Joe that the character of Ethan Frome is more important than the plot.

 

Deanna Satin

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 9:39:55 am

I agree with Katie and Joe. I immediatly noticed that the author went more into Ethan Frome but didn't really explain the plot. I also noticed the slang that took place. Another thing I noticed is how realistic the characters were. The characters could be real people.

 

Nathan Mitchell

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 3:06:35 pm

I agree with basically everyone and their thoughts. The most important tenet of realism is in the preface and in the first chapter. Agreeing with Admir it basically dismissed the plot and went all eyes to Ethan Frome. The other thing I also noticed was the slang like furst, and wurst.

 

Tate Larsen

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 3:15:33 pm

I need help understanding realism!

 

Ms. Moehlis

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 3:22:13 pm

Great insights thus far. Maybe you'd like to focus on the realistic setting. It's true that character is more important than plot. In the Foreword, Shreve asserted that "nature mimics the bleak interior landscape of the characters. If ever a place was a character in a novel, this is it" (ix). Might you explore the characters in more depth? How are the real? How are they complex?

 

Ms. Moehlis

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 3:23:39 pm

Sorry for the typo in the last post. Tate needs help with Realism. Help him out! :)

 

Jack Spooner

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 4:08:21 pm

I think it's the regional dialect.

 

Gene Hurley

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 5:03:19 pm

The different tenets contribute to the overall quality of the preface and chapter one. Giving a good introduction will help give the novel a realistic feel as it is ment when realism came in the 1900's. As I read more into the book the tenets help develop my interest in the book. The tenet of realism (the lack of plot)also makes the book difficult to understand. The characters are thoughly explained but it seems the characters are just driven by their actions without a sense of order. This is what appear to me so far, it will change when I get more into the book.

 

Katie Vande

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 6:58:07 pm

Tate-realism is pretty much boring, non creative writing. The author allows him/herself a little creativity but there is no "Harry Potter" type things there. Just about everything in this writing style could happen in real life.
As previously said, it focuses on characters and interactions and in depth feelings and analysis of the characters more than it does on where and when the story happened.
I hope that helps? Haha.

 

Grace Ansah

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 7:47:56 pm

I also agree with Katie and Joe! I think that right away, the author went into a lot of detail about Ethan Frome, like his actions and stuff like that, more than any other character. Like Deanna, I also noticed some of the slang. What region is that from? Is that the Southern region or something?

 

Toni Murken

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 8:24:56 pm

Ha alright well everyone has covered the basis of the topic already, but i found that through realizing and acknowledging realism as well as other literary terms the development of Ethan's charater as well as Zeena's was well expressed. Especially the description that is told about Maddi and Zeena, chiarosucro is used. Showing Maddi as lively and 'colorful' and Zeena beingand bedridden 'grey.' Also the use of natural vernactular helped me to set up a time period in which they might have come from.

 

Gennie LaValle

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 4:41:22 pm

When I was reading Ethan Frome, I deffinately noticed how they focused on the people not the plot, but I also noticed how these ordinary characters had so much depth. I thought the plot was pretty basic but with the time period and the characters it turned pretty intense.

 

Samantha Hill

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 5:30:02 pm

The tennets of realism I noted immediately were the focus on the routine, such as daily going to check the mail. In response to your comment about the weather, they compare the town to the people quite a bit. They talk about the cold of the winters, which strikes me to be as monotonous as I view the people.

 

Traunna Harris

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 7:57:05 pm

Im not sure if I understand realism completely but I also noticed how Wharton focused more on the characters than the plot. And how they kind of spoke in "slang."

-Where the book is located? because the back of the book says something about a "New England Village," but in the book it says Starkfield Massachusetts.

 

Cassandra

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 8:09:10 pm

When I started reading Ethan Frome, I immediately noted how Edith Wharton goes straight to the description of characters. She definitely focuses on trying to help you relate to the characters by putting a lot of detail towards the "norm of daily life/experiences". She's does a really good job of making you feel a connection towards the characters.

 

Cassandra Nemmers

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 8:10:08 pm

Oops. Forgot to put my last name. The previous was written by me. :)

 

* Charnise Burrell !

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 8:59:49 pm

What i first realized was the author talked a lot about Ethan and some of the other characters. When the author tells more about the characters it help me understand better because it helps me know how each characters personality is. But i also noticed they talked in a little "slang accent". Then the setting in this book I'm not really sure i think its a little old timey like 50s. But i do remember you tellin the time period i jus dnt remeber what yu said !

 

Tate Larsen

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 9:37:29 pm

Thanks Katie.

 

Erin Knight

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:08:42 pm

Some of the tenets i noticed when i started reading the preface & chapter 1, was you learned a lot about Ethan Frome and some of the other characters before getting to know the plot. Which is pretty useful to me. I also noticed some slang like "wust up" and "smash up". Like Charnise mentioned i had forgot what the time period this book takes place in.

 

Sydney Barber

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:52:27 pm

It was actually sort of confusing because it was different since it didn't exactly describe the plot right away. It went right into talking about Ethan Frome, then onto other characters later. It's also lot of detail, and it's mostly figurative language so it takes longer to put together the different characteristics. I think it's easiest describing what Mattie is like after reading page 29, I can imagine her personality perfectly. I noticed the slang like everyone else as well.

 

Emily Schwietzer

Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:44:28 pm

One of the tenets that I noted right away was the plot and characters. I think that in the Preface and chapter one the characters are more important than the plot.
The author is really discriptive with what the characters are like and what they do and how they are tied in with the book.
This tenet makes me approach the book with and idea about what is to come. Describing the characters really well and the plot too, helps me know what the book will be about in more depth and opened my thoughts about the book.

 

Chloe Sokolov

Fri, 29 Oct 2010 2:49:12 pm

Im having trouble understanding the book from the lack of plot. Also Its hard to focus when they go into such deep descriptions of each character.

 

Haley Smith

Fri, 29 Oct 2010 2:51:49 pm

2 tenets I have noticed were the regional dialect and how the characters are described more about them as actual people and their personalities, and not just about their outer appearance. This makes the characters have more depth.

 

Peter Nixon

Fri, 29 Oct 2010 3:00:19 pm

The tenets I realized right away are applying character, and character is more important than the plot. It effects the way I think about the novel by describing the characters in detail and the plot being described but not as well.

 

Kelsey Edwards

Fri, 29 Oct 2010 3:01:21 pm

It stated that the plot and characters of the realism tenet was highly significant. "characters are more important then the actually plot" The most important tenet of realism is in the preface and in the first chapter. Ethan Frome was the main focus because the plot is not as important.

 

Tate Larsen

Fri, 29 Oct 2010 3:40:33 pm

The tenets i saw in this book at first was the way the author describes characters. It isn't straight forward with it though it just gives you ideas. For example, on page three the authors talks about Ethan not telling you that he is old, but rather it says that "...Ethan Frome drive up to it, drop his reins on his hollow-backed bay and drag himself across the brick pavement to the white colonnade" and you get an idea of what that means.

 

Ellorah J. James

Sun, 31 Oct 2010 2:31:09 pm

In Ethan From a tenet of relism i noticed was Edith's (the author) decription of Ethan's attention "-he would listen quietly, his blu eeyes on the speakers face, and answer in so low a tone that his words nver reaced me-" in this statement you get the sence he is a solom fellow and is not much for socialising. this is one way Edith decribes the caracters (im such a way that you must make assumptions to his concret idea of the carater) through the beinging of a book.

 

CC Hughes

Sun, 31 Oct 2010 9:57:09 pm

The enviroment is extremely important in realism. It's harder to take in the description of the setting, but as you read, you begin to see the world as a character in itself. Likewise, the characters are the most important aspect of the story, rather than the plot. This is easily seen in the preface and first chapter of Ethan Frome as Ethan, Zeena, and a few other characters are developed fairly thoroughly in such a shotrt amount of time.

 

Sarah Paskach

Mon, 01 Nov 2010 3:46:07 pm

The tenents of realism that I noticed were the diction and the detail to the characters. The characters are more important than the plot and the diction helps you relate more the the time period that the story is being told in. Another tenent is that they show off the bat that Ethan Frome is more lower class. Social class is important in realism also.

 

Anna Evans

Thu, 04 Nov 2010 9:17:08 am

The tenet of realism that i saw right away was the "character is more important than plot." I noticed how there was more time spent on the description of Ethan, Zeena, Mattie than the actual plot.

 

Ellie Davenport

Thu, 04 Nov 2010 9:54:03 pm

The tenet of realism that i noticed right away was how the people and weather conditions related to the name of the town.

 

shanira

Fri, 05 Nov 2010 2:44:59 pm

i think the relationship between Mattie and Zeena is a tense one. There's little communication and alot of fear i think between the both, because Matties always wondering what Zeena's saying of her and Zeena, i pretty sure doesnt wanna lose her husband. These characters are both flat and chang very litte, Zeena the single "model" for evil mattie the single "model" for lust.

 

shanira kennedy

Fri, 05 Nov 2010 4:55:23 pm

Ethans character from what i've seen just goes with the flow. I think hes a good man who has just been hit hard with life. Its important that not all the characters are the same. I do believe his relationship with Mattie is just more of "awe", and lust than love because she is the "out" character of story. She wears bright red scarfs, she's happy she it and Ethans just dreaming.

 

Nhu Duong

Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:21:34 am

I need help with everything.

 

Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:04:44 pm

I noticed the dialect. In starkfield it almost seems that Starkfield is a poor town and is somewhat uneducated. The way they say things is very different such as "he may have touched a hundred..." referring to his old Ethan looks. Also I would agree that the character is more important than the plot. Ethan himself along with Mattie and Zeena are very well explained and the focus is on them and there personalitys. It almost seems like the weather itself is a character. With the way the starkfield winters are talked about the winter seems to be it's on character and personality.

 

Emma Koenig

Mon, 15 Nov 2010 2:24:58 pm

Sorry for this being in so late, totally forgot about the blog post things till I checked C.P.

What is affecting me as I go through this novel is that I keep on thinking that it's more author-based. You told us that in order to write realism, you have to know quite a bit about the subject you're writing about in order to do it write, and I always find myself going back to the initial thought that maybe Edith is somehow connected to these characters, even though she isn't, it's fictional. I guess it's somewhat of a brain block. :P

 

Jenn Villegas

Mon, 15 Nov 2010 6:50:09 pm

Some of the tenets of realism i notice is how deep it is. The character is more important than the plot in this book. A lot of the focus is on Ethan and his background, along with other characters. But it doesn't really talk about anything else.

 

Jenn Villegas

Mon, 15 Nov 2010 6:52:32 pm

I thought it got confusing as well sometimes, because instead of talking about the plot and explaining what was happening, it talked about the characters and when the author did talk about the characters it got so in depth that it made you forget anything else going on.

 

Cara Lindell

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:28:03 am

I noticed the Tenat of Realism character is more important than the plot, the beging mainly talks about Ethan and not the setting and what not. It is mentioned occationaly but not what the author wants the reader to focus on at the moment.

 



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